85 Baretta? Am i right? please help

[guitargodcarl]

http://photobucket.com/kramer-85-barettaright then ive got lots of Kramers,some i need help with to try and identify,I think this is a 85 Baretta with a graphic(which ive never seen before)a tranny neck and a later route for the trem any ideas anyone? thanks in advance. photobucket.com/kramer-85-baretta

[guitargodcarl]

ah new to this trying to get pics

[guitargodcarl]

come on maybe this time

[guitargodcarl]

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[KickstartMyHeart]

Hi guitargod, welcome to KF.

There is a "preview" button, so you can see the post before you push "submit". Use the "Image" button to upload pics via the photobucket-link. That should cure the fails.

[Vengeance]

Late 86 early 87

85 would have a banana head stock.

Cool Honeymooner graphic

[sixstring]

Late 86 early 87

85 would have a banana head stock.

Cool Honeymooner graphic

+1 has a Tranny neck as well. (some here covet them tranny's)

[guitargodcarl]

thanks so far for your help,forgot to mention graphic is dated 85 as is neck pocket so can't be 86-87 (got 3 86 rettas and a 87 with different neck plates too)very heavy so i presume maple body (like my 84-85 rettas) maybe had a neck change ??? ive got a few Kramers so i need as much help to identify em.Im sure we will with all your help.thanks again

[sprocket226]

[Mcniggleston]

Body is definitely an '85, neck looks maybe an '86 though. It's a nice guitar. Definitely not late enough to be an '87...I have an '87 and they're in the E serial range, so are most of the 86's. You got a transitional neck on there too when they switched from bananas to pointies. I'd say '85 is a good call on it through and through.

[guitargodcarl]

Thanks for your help ive got some more to to identify too,could'nt do it without you

[Vengeance]

Maybe an 85 with a replaced neck or the graphic was done in 85. As far as I know there were no 85 pointies. They switched from nana to pointy in 86.

[amerturk]

I've seen that graphic before, but I don't remember where or the origin of it. It's an unusual one for sure with the tranny neck. If that is a late D plate, it's very possible it's legit, but I've never seen a tranny on a D plate....and that is not to say it's not legit, just the first time and I've been researching the tranny necks for about 4 or 5 years now.

[guitargodcarl]

serial number says D2658 if that will help

[Vengeance]

serial number says D2658 if that will help

There we go.

http://www.vintagekramer.com/serials-d.htm

I'm guessing it's a replacement neck because no way an 85 had a pointy.

Or WOOF :happy1

Who really knows on the odd balls

[guitargodcarl]

so decision time ???? do i put a 84/85 neck on or leave the tranny neck on...?

[popvamp]

Personally, I'd leave the neck alone...that serial number would be very late 85 and that neck is very early 86 so in the world of Kramer , it's possible they go together.

[sixstring]

+1 if theres no extra set of holes in the heel, leave it be.

[Vengeance]

so decision time ???? do i put a 84/85 neck on or leave the tranny neck on...?

Leave that bad ass neck on there. Who cares if it's original or not? Those tranny necks are freakin awesome.

[kramerman65]

+1 on what Pop said, very possible.
I've only ever seen that graphic on the VK site.
Looks very well preserved.

[helocene]

serial number says D2658 if that will help

For what it's worth, I've got an 85 Baretta with a serial# about 150 before that one.