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[jumbowolfe]

Whoever can list the most "issues" with this non-tilt neck that at first glance appears to be the holy grail, you will win a free Kramer keychain from the NAMM show. I don't have a pic of the keychain, but its cool, trust me.

Whoever can get to three first wins.

Mike

There are at least 3 things wrong with it not making it legit. :)

[warrenp099]

The fretboard is Maple, the heel of the board is squared, and the Kramer logo is positioned wrong. And the part of the head that goes up from the nut has too steep of an incline.

[Lenny]

The logo is off,the pic has been airbrushed especially by the headstock, Maple board.never came with black locking nut and heel of neck is way to Square

[DethConsumer]

My 3 off the bat are:


Logo is cock-eyed
Painted Headstock on the side
Maple Board

[Rippin Rod]

Are there supposed to be 23 full frets?

[Pacer]

heal is wrong, tip is too narrow, throat is too short :lol

[bkeen]

I spy

1. Heel is too square
2. Maple board
3. The 12th fret dots are too far apart
4. The Logo is on at an angle

:headbang

[fubarguitars1]

Maple Board
Neck cut square at body end
Painted white on sides of headstock

[CHECKMATE]

I got...
Logo is wonky,
paint on the side of the headstock,
heal is squared,
cut of the bump on the headstock is wrong,
dots on fretboard are off,
black hardware.
And of course, the maple board.

Cory.

[Rippin Rod]

No winner yet? Okay.

1. Maple board
2. Squared off at the 23rd
3. Its a titled "non-tilt"

[swedrock]

Here´s some more better pics for you...the one Mike has posted for you is taken late at night, so my shitty camera makes especially the colors look totally wrong
/Bjorn
http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL168/1387973/8770690/120570288.jpg
http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL168/1387973/8770690/120570280.jpg
http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL168/1387973/8770690/120570304.jpg
http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL168/1387973/8770690/120570294.jpg

[jumbowolfe]

You guys are close, but you haven't hit all three yet (logo issue, maple board, and anything concerning paint on the headstock are moot points).

I should have clarified, you need to list the three things that are wrong in my Mike head. :) LOL

Keep tryin!
Mike

[CHECKMATE]

Okay Mike...how 'bout this...

squared heel,
short scale,
skunkstripe

Cory.

[ElKaBong]

Squared heel
Tuner spaceing
Skunk stripe

[CHECKMATE]

OOOHHH..you might be right on the spacing! I still think it is a short scale neck though.
Cory.

[unchained1984]

-fretboard squared at heel
-no primer round the edge of head
-edge of head (at high E) dimensions looks a little off but that may be my eyes :D
- where's the strings LOL

[KramerWolf]

well, besides the obvious square heal, and not being a rosewood board (however I have seen, and a forum member does have a maple boarded grail), and the logo placement... the headstock is cockeyed... it droops down too much, and it appears to be a short scaled neck...

james

[KramerGeek]

-no primer round the edge of head


That's the first thing I noticed.

[kellcats521]

OK......

1) squared fb end @ 22nd fret.
2) the neck is quartersawn.
3) the 12th fret dots are too far apart.

I also think the bulge out to the low E tuner is too high, but that could be the angle of the pics.

As an aside, I'm almost 100% certain that the neck on the non-tilt recently bought by Carr was also quartersawn, based on the grain profile on the back of the headstock. None of the original necks were quartersawn AFAIK.....

[warrenp099]

I believe it to be a Monster Guitar Shop neck.
MGS neck (http://www.monsterguitarshop.com/84bananamonster.jpg)

[Orchid]

Random guess ( this might have been said before, I didn't read all of the posts)
-Square heel
-Skunk Stripe
-Shape of the headstock (by the high E tuner)

[kellcats521]

I believe it to be a Monster Guitar Shop neck.
MGS neck (http://www.monsterguitarshop.com/84bananamonster.jpg)

MGS necks typically do not have a skunk stripe (even the maple fb necks) because he uses a laminated fretboard and not the 'normal' 1-pc neck.
Notice there's no walnut truss rod plug under the nut shelf.....

[bkeen]

MGS necks typically do not have a skunk stripe (even the maple fb necks) because he uses a laminated fretboard and not the 'normal' 1-pc neck.
Notice there's no walnut truss rod plug under the nut shelf.....

Pat, Doug is doing the 1 pc necks now but I don't think he has perfected it yet. (Was that a nice way to put it?) Anyone looking to purchase a neck? ;)

http://www.keencentral.com/pub/monster/1722.jpg

More (http://www.keencentral.com/pub/monster/)

Note: Warren did an excellent job on the body!

[swedrock]

I believe it to be a Monster Guitar Shop neck.
MGS neck (http://www.monsterguitarshop.com/84bananamonster.jpg)

Sorry Warren, definitly NOT a Monster Guitar Shop neck..I´d say that´s almost an insult to the manufacturer of this neck..workmanship and playability are of course hard to tell from my shitty pics, but I assure you that this is one of the best made, best tonal, and best playing necks I´ve ever had and I´ve had plenty during my 25+ years with this type of guitars..This neck was built during the eighties, looking 100% like this minus the now rounded off lower part of the fretboard from Mikes advice. Since Mike back then pointed out some faults compared to an original I know one very specific feature that hasn´t been mentioned yet.
Anyway, here´s how the fretboard end looks now, at least a little better
http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL168/1387973/8770690/120570257.jpg

[TBDREE]

My guess

location of tuners
No wrench holder screw holes.
squared heel

[swedrock]

As a reference for proportions, I´m posting this pic with the neck on a C xxxx# Imperial body
http://pic6.picturetrail.com/VOL168/1387973/9216205/128887558.jpg

[bkeen]

OK, once more

1. Heel is square
2. 12th fret markers are too far apart
3. The neck tapers too much from nut to heel!
4. After looking at the no bozo the head stock is absolutley too droopy!

That's all I got!

Really nice neck there bro!

[warrenp099]

Sorry, my bad

[ShredisLife]

4. After looking at the no bozo the head stock is absolutley too droopy!



From what I know, the production necks were slightly differently shaped than the one in the ad. That's what I HEARD, anyways.

[swedrock]

Sorry, my bad

No worries Warren, still need THE body for it..you have any tonal, rather heavy poplar for me?

[warrenp099]

I have some Polpar.

[swedrock]

I have some Polpar.

Oki Warren, PM coming in...

[kellcats521]

It looks like the headstock might be 2 pieces based on a grain 'bookmatch' on the side of the headstock near the high 'E' tuner, but it's tough to see any match on the back of the headstock....

[spade2you]

Damn, I chime in way too late.

The first thing that caught me was that the end of the fretboard was squared. The other stuff, too.

So what is the one thing missing?????????

Anyway, I have an '86 Maple Pacer Deluxe with black hardware, but different years had different rules. Stageys, Swans, and Forums also featured squared ends, too.

[bkeen]

OK, once more

1. Heel is square
2. 12th fret markers are too far apart
3. The head stock is absolutley too droopy!
4. The nut shelf is too far back into the fretboard.

[Pacer]

it's a jackson?/charvel?

[kramerpacer]

1. No brown stain around headstock
2. logo out of place
3. headstock big 'E" "elbow" not shaped correctly
4. headstock is on the wrong side of the neck for Remy to play it.

;)

[spade2you]

So where did the neck in question come from?

[CHECKMATE]

Oh man..he's leaving us hangin'...

[swedrock]

Ok guys, thought I´d tell you what this neck is, and when Mike feels it´s time he´ll end the contest and pick a winner.
This neck was made in ´86 (as far as I recall, it´s marked on the heel) as a total custom order at 48th Street Custom Guitars in NYC, at that time the ESP Custom Shop. It was made as a replacement for the broken neck on an ´84 Pacer Imperial, so the neck only had the small neckplate neck screw pattern when I got it. Back shape is a knockoff of the tilted bananas that are a hair wider than most R2´s at the nut, a little bit like the George Lynch Kamikazes back profile , but not as wide..
This neck is an absolute killer, has super tone and feel..beginning to need a refret, but I´m a bit scared to loose some of the "magic" in it in doing that..End of fretboard was modified over here in Sweden, and the head paintjob has been done twice over here..was re-done by fellow swede "caddielack" (also active here on the Forum) and also aged to give it a look corresponding to the body I was to use. Finding the right body for it is the most difficult quest yet..guess the ball will be rolling in Warrens direction..
Finally, I so much owe the Bro I got the neck from here at the Forum..came in as very reluctant trade, but where the owner wanted my as-new maple beak neck and other stuff so much, that he´d let go of the neck...
/Bjorn

[jumbowolfe]

You guys are so close, but you're missing one important factor that is in Bjorn's last post (look closely).

If you can get that one, and one other one that was already mentioned, you'll get the winner. :) It's been implied in other posts, but not stated specifically.

Sorry, I know I'm being an ass, but this is too much fun.

BTW, no primer/stain lines on the 84 non-tilts. Headstock shape is fine (from what I can tell), dot spacing I have not checked.

Just get me the two I want and you win the chain. Great discussion! The third one I'm thinking may be hard to see in the first picture I posted.

Mike

[warrenp099]

It's wider at the nut than an R2 and the fretboard is squared off and it's Maple.

[kellcats521]

Last Guess:

Nut width is too wide.
squared fb
dot spacing @12th

If it came from 48th st., it 'should' have had the big ESP stamp on the heel.

[jumbowolfe]

Warren answered what I was looking for first! Way to go Warren!

Pat - you get a keychain too. :)

Actually, the actual three I was looking for were:

1) Squared off fretboard
2) R2 at the nut instead of R5
3) The neck has a finish on it, should be oil. That was too hard to tell from the original photo though.

Thanks for playing everyone, we might do this again soon, that was fun!

Mike

(Pat and Warren, email me)

[ShredisLife]

What about the fact that it does not have abalone inlays? :)

[CHECKMATE]

Very cool. That was a blast! You should do that more often.
Cory.

[Lenny]

Thanx for letting us play mike! im still a newbie of sorts but as least i gave it a whirl! :guns
LonneyB