EVH amp setting??!

[Atian]

hi there!
I wanna know about EVH amp setting!
Right now i have a 15R ibanez.

Is this EVH amp setting: ??

Gain: 6
Bass: 9
Middle: 3
Treble: 4
Reverb: 4

i wanna know !:guns

[Mac]

You won't get a evh sounds from that thing if you try.

Buy a high gain amp and try Gain 7/8, Bass 10, Mid 10, treb 7, presence 10, volume...as loud as you want

[bongano]

Not so easy, I'm afraid.
Have a look HERE (http://www.legendarytones.com/brownsound.html) :thumbsup

[kramer.geetar]

hi there!
I wanna know about EVH amp setting!
Right now i have a 15R ibanez.

Is this EVH amp setting: ??

Gain: 6
Bass: 9
Middle: 3
Treble: 4
Reverb: 4

i wanna know !:guns

I've seen a setting similar to that on the Ultimate Guitar forum a while back and had to laugh. EVH and scooped mids do not go together. Its the complete opposite, but like Mac said your amp won't do it. So change that first then go from there....

[Atian]

AHA! nice! THX GUYS!!

Lagendary tones... great stuff!:bling

[kramer.geetar]

Here is another very good reference you can use...
http://wwwc.dcns.ne.jp/~epi/english.html

[jumbowolfe]

For Brown Sound, use the amp at a high volume, low gain, craploads of treble, lots of mids, hardly any lows, Phase 90, reverb, and maybe some delay and you'll get close.

I doubt though you're going to get real close with that amp.

Oh and a guitar thats fairly bright too. This is of course if you're going for early VH tone. Poplar/Basswood body with an old school JBJ is also a close representation.

Good luck, thousands have tried to mimic it, but realize so much of that early tone should be credited to Ted Templeman instead of Eddie. That board reverb added more thickness to his tone than most people know, thats why all that treble and mids sound decent on those early albums.

[Cygnus X1]

There is also that factor of scooping the mids on a preamp setup, then boosting on the power.
AKA frown shape on one, smile on the next.

Remember he chained up his amps most of the time.

Listen to it very closely on the headphones too, make sure you are listening to a true stereo image, not an "enhanced" one.
You find dry left, reverb on the right or vice versa.

I lost the link, an early tech said the variac was not a myth, but he used it more to stabilize voltages rather than drop them.
The amps were modded with a lower B+
(a very simple mod, he may have even done it himself).
But just like the Rev Billy G...he just lets the rumors go rather than correct them.

Best way is to use your ears.
It's the fingers that make the tone in the end.

[kramer.geetar]

Yea Mike is right, of course :D I found that too many people think to get Ed's tone they need a lot of gain, but its the opposite like Mike said. Lower gain but more volume :thumbsup

[mmmtacos]

But don't forget he was using Plexis at first which do not have a preamp. That's why he cranked the livin' s:arrgt out of them:D

[Slizzyy826]

I honestly think that there is no substitute to what eddie used for the tone. You just gotta do it like he did. Turn up a marshall plexi till it makes your ears bleed, and then use a variac to bring it down to 90 volts. check out metropoulus amps. This guy makes some pretty perfect clones of the old marshalls, and they sound fantastic! He's got one thats supposed to nail the brown sound. listen to this,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_ae1P9w4Hw&feature=related thats pretty damn good, and if you wanna go all out you could get a tape delay, a phaser, and a strat with a seymour duncan 78 evh and i think youll have the brown sound nailed. thats going all out, but that amp sure sounds great. :drool

[sah5150]

I honestly think that there is no substitute to what eddie used for the tone. You just gotta do it like he did.
Ya think? I dunno...

I get pretty close recording direct (no power amp, nor cab) with the Axe-FX modeler and a $10 Redwirez cab IR:

VHI Tone (http://members.cox.net/sahstuff/jamiefull.mp3)

(Ed's guitar is defeated as I have center panned the right side of the track. Of course, we are doing a duet :D on the intro solo because it is panned center, so I just blended my lead guitar with Ed's. I was most interested in the rhythm tone and all you hear is me)

Steve

[sah5150]

But don't forget he was using Plexis at first which do not have a preamp.
Huh?? ALL guitar amps have a preamp.

Steve

[mmmtacos]

Huh?? ALL guitar amps have a preamp.

Steve

Hmmm, I thought they didn't:scratchhe .

Anyways, I guess what I mean is, they weren't like amps that came later with a separate gain to overdrive he power tubes.

I'm not an amp expert:-x

[brokrguy]

Hey, Bob's not an amp expert!

...but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...with some tall chick...in a clown suit...and flip-flops...driving a flatbed...with government plates...

:whistle

[sah5150]

Hmmm, I thought they didn't:scratchhe .

Anyways, I guess what I mean is, they weren't like amps that came later with a separate gain to overdrive he power tubes.

I'm not an amp expert:-x
Agreed. :D

The gain pot you are talking about drives the preamp section of an amplifier, not the power tubes.

Steve

[Cygnus X1]

Turn up a marshall plexi till it makes your ears bleed, and then use a variac to bring it down to 90 volts.

No offense...but that is a MYTH.
:poke

And deadly for your tube amp.
Don't do it.

The filaments need to see enough voltage to operate correctly.
Otherwise you'll get "cathode stripping".
Dropping the B+ slightly is the easy and safe way to do it.
Still-it needs to be done by a qualified amp tech.

[Mxzx]

This is one of the best EVH samples I have heard. Was over on the Metroamp forum and stumbled on to it.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=503988&songID=7164257

[sah5150]

No offense...but that is a MYTH.
:poke

And deadly for your tube amp.
Don't do it.

The filaments need to see enough voltage to operate correctly.
Otherwise you'll get "cathode stripping".
Dropping the B+ slightly is the easy and safe way to do it.
Still-it needs to be done by a qualified amp tech.
Using a variac to bring an amp down to 90 volts is not "deadly" for a tube amp. Cathode stripping affects the power tubes by decreasing tube life. If you replace your tubes often enough, you won't have a problem with the amp.

There are better ways to get the B+ down though, as you mention...

Steve

[kramer.geetar]

Those Metro Amps sound amazing. I was checking out their site and the '68 clone they have has a built in 'virtual attenuator' switch, pretty cool actually.

[bongano]

I just checked their website too and i saw prices! :yikes
Money good spent BTW.

[sah5150]

Those Metro Amps sound amazing. I was checking out their site and the '68 clone they have has a built in 'virtual attenuator' switch, pretty cool actually.
It's actually a virtual variac, not attenuator. It lowers the B+...

Steve

[kramer.geetar]

oops thats what I meant, still waking up ;)

[sah5150]

oops thats what I meant, still waking up ;)
Good Mornin'! :thumbsup

Steve

[sah5150]

I just checked their website too and i saw prices! :yikes
Money good spent BTW.
You can buy a kit from them and build it yourself for about a grand!

Steve

[Slizzyy826]

No offense...but that is a MYTH.
:poke

And deadly for your tube amp.
Don't do it.

The filaments need to see enough voltage to operate correctly.
Otherwise you'll get "cathode stripping".
Dropping the B+ slightly is the easy and safe way to do it.
Still-it needs to be done by a qualified amp tech.


none taken, but ive read that eddie said he swapped tubes all the time cause they burned out, so what you said makes sense to me. even on ten tubes don;t burn out that fast, so if the variac was real bad for the amp, thatd explain how he fried the tubes. thats just my thoughts though. that rockstah guys plexi sounds amazing, i wonder what mod hes got for that one clip mxzx posted, :scratchhe anybody know?

[jonasaberg]

No offense...but that is a MYTH.
:poke

And deadly for your tube amp.
Don't do it.

The filaments need to see enough voltage to operate correctly.
Otherwise you'll get "cathode stripping".
Dropping the B+ slightly is the easy and safe way to do it.
Still-it needs to be done by a qualified amp tech.

Well, was Eddie ever known for taking good care of his gear? ;) I seem to remember reading something about him finding a body he liked and didn't have time to have it properly routed so he used a chisel and a hammer to make it fit in five minutes. He probably had the same attitude towards amps; whatever worked for the moment.

That being said, it's probably not a good idea to do it yourself unless you have l o t s of money.

[jumbowolfe]

Yup, the speakers have to distort, not the amp. Also, a low output humbucker too, in the 9.3-9.5 range. Again, so many have tried, and someone said it here best, its in the fingers. If you can garner your style to Ed's type of playing, more than likely you'll sound like him. If you're favorite band is Disturbed for example, and you're influence is any other guitarist, yet you want Eddie tone, you'll never sound like Ed.

I posted a clip in the Recordings area a few weeks ago from a live gig. In reality, my amp was not set even close to an Ed type tone (Line 6 HD147), yet I was using a Wolfgang Special, and in all honesty, Eddie is my #1 influence. Someone said I nailed the tone. Well, not really, I just play like him (not as GOOD as him, i would never claim that, just in the style of) and when your picking technique and the influence of your favorite guitarist takes you to the place he is in some retarded fashion like me, then you'll start sounding like Ed. Pinch harmonics, learning Ed's dive, 2nd fret harmonic and whammy technique, and general other things, then you'll really be close.

Best thing to do is find your own voice, make your amp sound the way you like it, don't worry about mimic'ing Ed's tone directly, or anyone else's for that matter. If you are a VH retard like me, and you spend the better part of your practice time learning VH songs and solos, then eventually, it won't matter what amp you have, as long as you follow the basic EQ rules I stated above - shitloads of Treble, not much Bass, lots of mids, Phase 90, and reverb, then boom.

Dave (KramerPacer) and I own to really crappy Fender cheap amps. Dave discovered that greatness that this cheap little $100 amp with a Phase 90 pretty much nails VH. It can be done with cheap and expensive amps. If you are a tone chaser like several of the guys in this thread, then you'll be on yet another quest because your ears hear better detail than mine.


Yea Mike is right, of course :D I found that too many people think to get Ed's tone they need a lot of gain, but its the opposite like Mike said. Lower gain but more volume :thumbsup

[kramer.geetar]

Hey Mike which cheap Fender amp is this? I'm interested!

I saw a Pink Floyd tribute show a couple years ago, the guy was using a Peavey Classic 30, a few pedals and a Strat. Awesome Gilmour tone, he found his own way. I find you don't need high end equipment to sound good, you need to find equipment that sounds good with the way YOU play. Everyone is different with their own style so someone might get a great VH tone with a Fender amp and a dist. pedal, someone might get it with a modelling amp and someone might get it with a Marshall JCM 800. Different ways to get to the same destination I think.

[jumbowolfe]

Exactly dude, its all about finding out what works best for you.


Hey Mike which cheap Fender amp is this? I'm interested!

I saw a Pink Floyd tribute show a couple years ago, the guy was using a Peavey Classic 30, a few pedals and a Strat. Awesome Gilmour tone, he found his own way. I find you don't need high end equipment to sound good, you need to find equipment that sounds good with the way YOU play. Everyone is different with their own style so someone might get a great VH tone with a Fender amp and a dist. pedal, someone might get it with a modelling amp and someone might get it with a Marshall JCM 800. Different ways to get to the same destination I think.

[toneseeker]

none taken, but ive read that eddie said he swapped tubes all the time cause they burned out, so what you said makes sense to me. even on ten tubes don;t burn out that fast, so if the variac was real bad for the amp, thatd explain how he fried the tubes. thats just my thoughts though. that rockstah guys plexi sounds amazing, i wonder what mod hes got for that one clip mxzx posted, :scratchhe anybody know?

Go look in the EVH section over there, for a thread called "Calling Rockstah". It was about 50 pages, and they've now made it into a pdf. He's basically talking the guy through the way he mods amps to get "The Dutch Treat". :D