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jumbowolfe
07-31-2009, 02:27 PM
Found this on the press site...

http://www.kramerguitars.com/press/P_PacerClassic-PW.jpg

Pretty cool. Looks like they are making a more affordable version of the Pacer, cool!!!
amerturk
07-31-2009, 02:31 PM
Sign me up. I'll take two.
Pacer Guy
07-31-2009, 02:34 PM
Wow :) where did that come from :scratchhe
Looks nice... Surprised they used a licensed Floyd. Seems like all the manufactures are jumping on the Korean Floyd band wagon.

If it plays as good or close to the Imperial RI, it should be a great guitar :thumbsup I know I'm interested :)

Thanks for posting the pic Mike :urock
Pacerimperial
07-31-2009, 03:06 PM
Cool:headbang Hopefully it will not meet the same fate as this did:

http://www.kramerguitars.com/press/P_VT200-VW.jpg
bartman007
07-31-2009, 03:19 PM
DAYUMMM!!!! I want me one of those!

I'll take one in trans blue so i can finally give my pacer a rest.

Is it me or is the headstock a little different than the previous reissue?
VooDoo666
07-31-2009, 04:04 PM
DAYUMMM!!!! I want me one of those!

I'll take one in trans blue so i can finally give my pacer a rest.

Is it me or is the headstock a little different than the previous reissue?

The headstock is a slight bit different (very slight) than the USA reissue. Have to keep a subtle difference between the USA line and the lower line.
These won't meet the same fate as the VT200. They will be out with the rest of the new line....
amerturk
07-31-2009, 04:57 PM
Hey Voodoo, can you say what colors will be available? My guess is White, Red and Black.

Any chance of letting the forum bros having the 1st chance at the first ones off the line?

BTW: I commend you guys at offering a cheaper alternative to the spendy USA line. This is how it's done!
floydkramer
07-31-2009, 05:10 PM
anyone got a ballpark figure of what "affordable" is? :scratchhe
EVHSHREDDERF1000
07-31-2009, 05:11 PM
Ill take one of those and maybe drop a real floydrose in it and call it good. Looking forward to seeing how much they'll be hopefully its a good price
Pacer Guy
07-31-2009, 05:18 PM
Kevin,
Any chance of giving us a rundown on the specs or how it compares to the Imperial RI??

Thank you for keeping the old school Kramer logo on this guitar as well :)

Will the guitar be available for sale in Sept???
I've contacted my favorite Kramer dealer and told him I'm in need of one :D
Rick S
07-31-2009, 06:11 PM
Now thats what I'm talkin bout Willis!:thumbsup Bout time.:)
Bluesman001
07-31-2009, 06:15 PM
They've updated the list with a few "new" models that were at NAMM (since I was curious how Mike found this one)

http://www.kramerguitars.com/press/

Under 2010 models, Pariah's kinda cool - has a grateful dead kinda vibe (or sg/bc rich thing)

Kevin, so is it official that the VT is dead - no chance of seeing smoe come out?
Kostas Dee
07-31-2009, 11:38 PM
To me that was like bolt in my heart..Korean beaks?
Fopasko
08-01-2009, 02:13 PM
any idea on prices VooDoo?
the_wayward_one
08-03-2009, 03:53 AM
If I have the money in 2010 i'll buy that in a flash but right now i can't even afford a used Focus for $200.
jumbowolfe
08-04-2009, 07:42 AM
Do Japanese Vintage Pacer necks break your heart too?


To me that was like bolt in my heart..Korean beaks?
Yeoyownsu
08-04-2009, 08:33 AM
I love this guitar ...it makes me wish i had not bought a musicyo striker...:(...Blasphemy i Know :)
Rick S
08-04-2009, 09:18 AM
Yup, sure makes a guy wonder. I think ALOT of people here are misinformed. I've said it in another thread here but it seems to just get ignored. Except for a handful of guitars vintage Kramers were NEVER made in the USA. Got it now?


Do Japanese Vintage Pacer necks break your heart too?
jumbowolfe
08-04-2009, 09:30 PM
That is pretty comical. The newer Kramer puts out guitars in Korea and are slammed for knocking down the Kramer name. Um, Hello, Kramer did it in the 80's and ESP pretty much grew their business out of the demise of Kramer DOING THE EXACT SAME THING!!! LOL

You know, given, Gibson hasn't done everything with the brand that they could have to make us all happy. But I tell ya, the guys in Nashville are damned if they do, damned if they don't. They put out all USA instruments, price them accordingly (and I even think too cheap in some instances for a pure USA instrument) and no one buys because they're "too expensive". They put together a good overseas offering in something like a Pacer Classic, only for people to slam them saying "But I want USA stuff". I'm telling ya, no one is ever happy.
NightRider
08-04-2009, 09:46 PM
I would buy one... but I want the LP with Floyd... heck maybe I'll get both... but one thing I don't like(looks) is the way the Pacers truss rod adjustment looks... I guess its just getting used to it.... but I like what the Nashvilles guys are trying to do:headbang :notworthy :thumbsup :toast
Pacer Guy
08-04-2009, 09:59 PM
That is pretty comical. The newer Kramer puts out guitars in Korea and are slammed for knocking down the Kramer name. Um, Hello, Kramer did it in the 80's and ESP pretty much grew their business out of the demise of Kramer DOING THE EXACT SAME THING!!! LOL

You know, given, Gibson hasn't done everything with the brand that they could have to make us all happy. But I tell ya, the guys in Nashville are damned if they do, damned if they don't. They put out all USA instruments, price them accordingly (and I even think too cheap in some instances for a pure USA instrument) and no one buys because they're "too expensive". They put together a good overseas offering in something like a Pacer Classic, only for people to slam them saying "But I want USA stuff". I'm telling ya, no one is ever happy.

Couldn't have said it any better Mike :thumbsup

I had written a reply a few days ago, then deleted it basically saying the same thing... Everyone wants US made Kramers... So Kramer obliges, and builds a limited run of Pacer Imperials... But yet, even with the small quantity made... There are still dealers selling them :scratchhe Last count I had there are still 6-7 left out there... I don't get it... For the price, it's a killer guitar in my opinion, and worth more than the asking price... Basically custom made guitars :thumbsup

I'm not knocking anyone here for not buying one. I know times haven't been great with the economy, as well as a Beak isn't everyones cup of tea. I also feel Kramer is a little to blame for the lack of sales as well... Besides us here at the forum, really how many people even new they were out there :scratchhe
Besides the review on Vintage Kramer (thanks Mike :thumbsup) I have yet to see any advertised.

I do hope that with the new Kramers, and with the push to have actual dealers selling them, I do hope that Gibson/Kramer will be a little more involved in advertising.

Myself, I have ever intention of buying a Pacer Classic when they are available. I feel it will be a perfect guitar for modding, playing, and not worrying about if it gets a chip or a scratch in it...
Do I expect it to be as good as my Pacer Imperial? No, but I don't think it's going to be a turd guitar either :thumbsup
halo71
08-04-2009, 10:05 PM
I don't give a crap where they are made really. A nice playing guitar is a nice playing guitar! And the line up is looking sweet. But why no Pacer Deluxe RI? Or am I missing the pic?

The Pariah looks kinda BCR Virgin though. :scratchhe
kramer.geetar
08-04-2009, 10:36 PM
Wait, the Pacer Classic will be Korean made right? For a budget guitar thats actually great news these days. The Yo Strikers were made in Indonesia and lots of people thought they were great and I own one and agree so this could only mean a step up right?
Besides, if anyone thinks having the name 'Pacer' on a budget guitar is tarnishing the name...well then I'm sure Fender must be down right insane to let Squire Strats be made cheaper in China right? or Gibson has lots its marbles with Epiphone LP's? No offence to the Kramer name but those 2 guitars are miles ahead in terms of history to the Pacer. Kids who can't afford a Fender buy a Squire, and same goes with Gibson and Epiphone. My first guitar was a Squire Affinity Strat and it didn't tarnish my love for Strats, I still GAS for an American '57 reissue :thumbsup
zulu69
08-05-2009, 04:51 AM
I really really really hope i can get one in Oz from stores. Voodoo can you put me out of my misery??
enb123
08-05-2009, 05:07 AM
I'm betting once these guitars actually get into circulation, the comments are all gonna shift from complaints to "Check out my new Korean Pacer - :drool :drool :drool." (And I wish Gibson would freakin' hurry up - I want an LP with a Floyd! :D)
Rick S
08-05-2009, 08:49 AM
I agree with you Mike. Its typical here. Slam on 'em because they are made in Korea. Whats that about? Slam on 'em because they are made in the US. Whine about something as insignificant as the logo. Cripes! I'm amazed they are actually making guitars at all. That was my biggest complaint. Finally something from Kramer and more is to come apparently. Like the US line. To bitch about the Pacer Classic is idiotcy at its best. And yeah, some of the other guitars are indeed ugly to me. But, guess what, my 10 y/o son really digs them. Future Kramer guy maybe? Yeah, I'd say so. Oh, but wait, maybe he should really buy a new Pacer RI. You know, as an investment.:D Yeah, thats how it works.
Midnight_Highway
08-05-2009, 09:42 AM
I like it, a lot. :thumbsup As long as it has a nice neck and decent wood is used for the body, everything else can be swapped. :thumbsup I would ask for a head-adjusting truss rod too, but I guess you can't have em all. :)

George
jumbowolfe
08-05-2009, 09:47 AM
I think the truss adjustment is on the head George? It appears that way from the pic at least.

The body is Mohagany from what I've been told, thats a nice change from the USA model, to make it a tad different.



I like it, a lot. :thumbsup As long as it has a nice neck and decent wood is used for the body, everything else can be swapped. :thumbsup I would ask for a head-adjusting truss rod too, but I guess you can't have em all. :)

George
Rick S
08-05-2009, 01:01 PM
OMG!!!:yikes Mahogany Pacer body. Man talk about cheapening the Pacer name. That and its made in Korea. Can't Kramer just make it exactly like the vintage Pacers, make it here in the USA, offer it with an OFR, Duncan pups, Schaller tuners and strap locks and only charge $400 for it? Sheesh.:-|


The body is Mohagany from what I've been told, thats a nice change from the USA model, to make it a tad different.
mmmtacos
08-05-2009, 01:12 PM
Mike, do we know it's Korean or was that just assumed? (If it is it will be well made:thumbsup )

If it's stoopid cheap, I'd wager it won't be :) .
matt3846
08-05-2009, 01:19 PM
OMG!!!:yikes Mahogany Pacer body. Man talk about cheapening the Pacer name. That and its made in Korea. Can't Kramer just make it exactly like the vintage Pacers, make it here in the USA, offer it with an OFR, Duncan pups, Schaller tuners and strap locks and only charge $400 for it? Sheesh.:-|

Hey Rick S... I assume that's a jab at me for my comments on this cheapening the Pacer name. No offense, but I'm entitled to my opinion. Just like you. But there's no reason for you to be rude about it. We can have a friendly debate, but there's no need to go holier than thou.

And for the record, I'm not against overseas manufacturing at all. I got my first Focus in 1986, and have loved it ever since. I own over a dozen of them now actually. As well as a handful of Pacers that I am well aware were made from ESP-Japan parts.

As for it being mahogany... I admit, that does make it sound a lot better than what I previously assumed. I very much look forward to seeing the actual specs and prices on these, and actually trying one out firsthand.

And believe me, I will be the first to admit I was wrong if need be.
Bluesman001
08-05-2009, 01:49 PM
I think he was agreeing with you, maybe?

My Yo baretta was made in korea or somewhere over there. It was great quality and playability. It was just not for me (hate 24 frets and guitar didn't do it for me).

I'm just hoping these outsourced guitars are not too highly priced. Hopefully they are priced about where the yo models were.
bkeen
08-05-2009, 07:43 PM
Time will tell :whistle
BamaKramer
08-05-2009, 07:56 PM
I love this guitar ...it makes me wish i had not bought a musicyo striker...:(...Blasphemy i Know :)

you can never regret a yo striker
Fopasko
08-06-2009, 09:40 PM
hmnmmm i wonder which is better the new pacer or a focus 2000?
Fopasko
08-25-2009, 12:54 AM
hey kevin is it true that this sweet axe is made of mohogany? if so im all over it!!! :)
KramerUK
08-25-2009, 11:36 AM
Sure I heard somewhere that its going to be a poplar body.
Its a budget guitar with a great spec and if you want to mod it upto OFR, Schallers and SD's then you can.
Non recessed body and Schaller copies so come on guys with a street price from Kramer/Gibson of $370, lets not get stupid on what your gonna get for the money.
You know these will hit the stores at $350.

It has everything people have asked for, old logo & budget pice what more do you want?

So the headstock shape is slightly different? Would that stop you buying an Epiphone LP if you didn't have the $$$ for a Gibson, I think not
jumbowolfe
08-25-2009, 01:24 PM
It was cheaper to make it out of Mohagany from what i was told, and I have heard nothing about it being poplar.
markshredder
08-26-2009, 06:18 PM
Well, I have a deposit on one of these but will probably not buy one unfortunatley - nothing against the guitar, it looks really good, but other acquisitions have came up.
PM me if you fancy "buying me out" of my deposit on a Pacer special at a knocked down rate. ;)
Lightningdan
09-09-2009, 12:14 AM
I love everything the Gibson guys are doing. the only reason I can't gobble them up, is I'm still recovering from the mountain of Debt I'm in post-divorce. :-|

Having met the Yo guys, and seeing first hand what they do.. I'm never going to be a complainer.
Legato
09-09-2009, 04:59 PM
I think I may be seeing a trend here. The 2010 Pacer says "Classic Series". I wonder if they're gonna come out with a Baretta "Classic Series". And other classic models to follow on the line. It makes sense to me. Why would you just have 1 type of Kramer in a series ya know?
Lightningdan
09-10-2009, 01:17 AM
Well, the Baretta Re-issues are pretty much spot on to the originals, so I don't see the need to change them with a "classic series" .. unless I'm missing something here. :scratchhe
Legato
09-10-2009, 12:04 PM
The Pacer Classic Series isnt a reissue. I can see minor differences between the Pacer reissue and the C.S. Maybe they'll come out with a Baretta C.S. despite that there was a reissue, just like how the Pacer is now. I just LOVE the Baretta body. I want to see Kramer make that again. I think the new Strikers should have the old Focus or Baretta style bodies. They'd look soo much better and more like a Kramer.
VooDoo666
09-10-2009, 01:37 PM
I think I may be seeing a trend here. The 2010 Pacer says "Classic Series". I wonder if they're gonna come out with a Baretta "Classic Series". And other classic models to follow on the line. It makes sense to me. Why would you just have 1 type of Kramer in a series ya know?

Ding! We have a winner.
Mac
09-10-2009, 03:54 PM
I like you more now :D
Pacer Guy
09-10-2009, 04:02 PM
Hmmm... :scratchhe The Classic series may become very interesting :)
KramerUK
09-10-2009, 04:12 PM
I think thats something we can be sure of so long as the sales are where they want them to be :thumbsup
zulu69
09-11-2009, 08:33 PM
I want a classic series night swan :drool :drool :drool
TrueBlueLS
09-12-2009, 01:00 PM
+1. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
Pacer Guy
09-12-2009, 01:14 PM
I want a classic series night swan :drool :drool :drool

I'd bet that model would sell out before they were shipped to the dealers :)
markshredder
09-12-2009, 03:33 PM
I want a classic series night swan :drool :drool :drool

It would be unreal if that happened. The demand would be absolutley insane.
IanFraser
12-20-2009, 06:59 AM
The new pacer looks a sweet guitar!! For the price too! only $379!!
JPMarini
12-21-2009, 02:44 PM
Definitely looks great in white.

I think Kramer just needs to step up the marketing- I don't think many are aware of Kramers latest efforts.
Rick S
12-21-2009, 03:47 PM
Kramers latest efforts eh!:D Build a couple of guitars, take a few pictures and ...............................................thats about it. I know I'm impressed.:-|


I think Kramer just needs to step up the marketing- I don't think many are aware of Kramers latest efforts.
smock19nathan
12-24-2009, 11:22 PM
Kramers latest efforts eh!:D Build a couple of guitars, take a few pictures and ...............................................thats about it. I know I'm impressed.:-|



Im 2 Years new to Kramer guitars, I honestly got lucky running across Kramers on my own. I dont care what anyone says, GIBSONKRAMER has yet to put any effort into marketing the Kramer brand.. period.. It is forums like this one and websites like vintagekramer, that help that line out. IMO ... not even a collumn in guitarworld mag....