250g gutshots - need some help

[danielzink]

Since I got this 250g I've had some questions. I had a 250g back in 78/79/80ish and I didn't have the same issues.

#1. the bridge pickup has about 1/2 the volume of the neck pickup (even when adjusted closer to the strings).

#2. as stated in another thread - when I roll the tone control to the full "bass" position - it cuts the bridge pickup to almost off.

So I decided to "take a look under the hood".

Mind you - I know a bit about electronics - I build my own pedals - do a bit of rehousing for other people - I know which end of the soldering iron is which. :thumbsup

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/2506bench.jpg

What I'm looking for is anyone who has pics of their 250g guts - or is willing to take theirs apart and take some pics.


Dan

[danielzink]

After getting the pickguard off - this is what I was presented with.

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/250gut1.jpg

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/250gut2.jpg

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/250gut3.jpg

[danielzink]

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/250gut4.jpg

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/250gut5.jpg

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/250gut6.jpg

[danielzink]

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/250gut7.jpg

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/250gut8.jpg

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/250gut9.jpg

[danielzink]

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/250gut10.jpg

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/250gut11.jpg

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/250gut12.jpg

[danielzink]

So - how much will I devalue the guitar if I decide to go with new pots, caps etc. ie: do a complete re-wire.

Note one of the pots has a clipped/broken lead.

Are the enclosed pots stock ?

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks, Dan

[serdontos]

I don't think those pots are original (made in Mexico?), all the pots I've seen on Lumies are CTS pots, so you won't be de-valuing it by changing them out. I just re-strung my 250G, but if nobody else has a gut shot for you I'll go ahead and peel her open for some pics.

[danielzink]

I don't think those pots are original (made in Mexico?), all the pots I've seen on Lumies are CTS pots, so you won't be de-valuing it by changing them out. I just re-strung my 250G, but if nobody else has a gut shot for you I'll go ahead and peel her open for some pics.

do it. and if you want - I'll mail you off a set of D'Addario 10's to make up for the set you just put on :headbang

Dan

[lostinthemasses]

those pots arent original

whoever did that wiring was a tard

don't worry about devaluing the axe by changing out the pots

[danielzink]

those pots arent original

whoever did that wiring was a tard

don't worry about devaluing the axe by changing out the pots

Thanks for the verification.

Tonight I'm going to remove everything and see what I can salvage.

If I can get a wiring shot of someone elses I'll be good to go.

Thanks Again, Dan

[Steve EZ]

The switch contacts can also interfere with output if they build up a little oxide. Try slipping a small piece of emory in between for a light polish on the contacts. Also make sure they are getting enough tension for good contact.

[lostinthemasses]

those pots look like they came out of someone's stereo

[amerturk]

Judging by your workbench, it looks like you do this full time. It's always nice to have a pro on-board. Post some pics when you're done. :)

[dr. robert]

Here's a pic of my 250g, cap has been replaced at some point. The cap on your guitar is probably original, but I don't think the treble bleed should be there

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h80/nopicknick/P1010008.jpg

[lostinthemasses]

the two orange drops are definitely original

[dr. robert]

really? I've never seen a lumie with a treble bleed cap, and I certainly wouldn't expect a treble bleed on a single coil guitar with 500K pots (the original CTS pots were always 500K AFAIK, even on the 250G/350G)

Edit: O.K. I'm an idiot, there's a treble bleed in the picture I posted. Don't think it's original though

[danielzink]

You guys are the s**t !

Thanks for the pics - if anyone has any more - please post up.

Dan

[danielzink]

ooooo!!

and this is my 25th post ! - now I can get to the for sale section !..........it could get ugly !!


Anyhow- back to the task - I'd dig seeing a stocker with the orange drops in place. My question as to pot values has been answered.

Thanks Again, Dan

[serdontos]

Will try to get you some pics of my stock 250G this weekend, don't worry about the strings, but thanks for your offer:thumbsup

[lostinthemasses]

robert, the caps on your lumie are not original but the pots look original

[danielzink]

Bad news this afternoon......

Looks like I've got a DOA bridge pickup.

On a whim I decided to put the multimeter to the pups to see what I had. I get 4.9ohms out of the neck pup and no reading - open circuit on the bridge.

crap. Like how often does a pickup like this come up for sale... What's the string spacing on these things ? if nothing else I suppose I could have a new pickguard made.

<sigh>

:-x
:scratchhe

Dan

[KramerUK]

pup's don't come up very often sadly, just a shame that rewinding can be so expensive

[lostinthemasses]

dude, omg, i watched a set go for 20 bucks with 0bids one time when i was broke andi totally wanted to snag them,the second time they went up on sale they sold for 80bucks

[danielzink]

I'll still take any stock gutshots anyone can provide.

I'll find a pickup eventually - and I want to have a stock assembly to drop back in.

I the meantime - as stated - I may have a new guard cut - and put in some P-90's or lipsticks...

Dan

[lostinthemasses]

throw some soapbars in there

[apekillman]

you could swith the neck pick up with the bridge if you are like me and don't play the neck pick that much, if at all.

[lostinthemasses]

but the neck pickup is going to be voiced for the neck

i guess it's worth a shot

[danielzink]

Who cuts pickguards for these ?

I did a search but came up blank.

I know I've seen it before....just can't put my finger on it....


Thanks, Dan

[lostinthemasses]

jeannie pickguards

[danielzink]

t'would be the shizzle if these would work:

actually kind of cool looking to boot.

Lawrence pickups out of a Gibson S-1

http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/s1p.jpg


http://pws.cablespeed.com/danielzink/musical/kramer/s1p2.jpg

Dan

[lostinthemasses]

speaking of lawrence

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bill-Lawrence-L-560-Orig-1970s-Lead-Cream-NOS-LAST-CAL_W0QQitemZ370200690981QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item5631ae4125&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

i was thinking it would be cool to keep the neck pickup and throw this vintage l-560 mini humbucker in the bridge

[danielzink]

speaking of lawrence

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bill-Lawrence-L-560-Orig-1970s-Lead-Cream-NOS-LAST-CAL_W0QQitemZ370200690981QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item5631ae4125&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1205%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

i was thinking it would be cool to keep the neck pickup and throw this vintage l-560 mini humbucker in the bridge


Interesting.....I've got a '78 deluxe Goldtop that a set of these might find their way into....

Dan

[lostinthemasses]

those mini-humbucker les pauls rock

[serdontos]

Some gut shots of my 1978 250G http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/kramer450g/IMG_0913_1_1.jpg http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/kramer450g/IMG_0912_1_1.jpg http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/kramer450g/IMG_0911_1_2_1.jpg http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/kramer450g/IMG_0910_1_1_1.jpg http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/kramer450g/IMG_0915_1_1.jpg

[danielzink]

Some gut shots of my 1978 250G


Very Awesome - Thanks again !

Now - the hunt is on for a pickup !


Dan

[danielzink]

Sent my pickup off to Sheptone today to be repaired. He seems very confident that he can make it right.

Since the neck came out to 4.9ohms I'll probably have him wind this one a smidge bit hotter.

Interesting pictures.
I've looked high and low for those ITW caps (the.001 treble bleed cap) - no luck yet.

Someone said earlier that Orange drops were stock ?

If anyone else wants to post up their 250 innards - it'd be cool to note differences.

Thanks Again Everyone !

Dan

[lostinthemasses]

from what it looks like, orange drops were stock in certain 250's but in this thread i've seen some stock caps that werent orange drops

orange drops were stock in practically all lumies though

[SetFireToFlames]

I'm not sure if the op needs a new pickup. I quickly skimmed the thread and saw some mentions of pickups and I had just seen this one on ebay today. Thought somebody would be interested in it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/KRAMER-Single-Coil-Pickup-with-CHROME-COVER_W0QQitemZ110412708925QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Musical_Instruments_Instruments?hash=item19b51c3c3d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1|294%3A50

[danielzink]

I'm not sure if the op needs a new pickup. I quickly skimmed the thread and saw some mentions of pickups and I had just seen this one on ebay today. Thought somebody would be interested in it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/KRAMER-Single-Coil-Pickup-with-CHROME-COVER_W0QQitemZ110412708925QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Musical_Instruments_Instruments?hash=item19b51c3c3d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|293%3A1|294%3A50


I saw it and got all fired up - for about a second. Two things - #1 - I don't see any wiring leads on the thing - not quite sure what happened there and #2 - no mountng tabs/ears for a 250G. My pickup is off to anther winder to look at - Sheptone didn't feel that he could "un-epoxy" it so he sent it back.


Dan

[lostinthemasses]

i knew he wasnt going to be able to get those bastardous metal covers off

[danielzink]

guy from France contacted me today - he has two pup's from his 250G. He sent pics - they look nice. Problem is - he said that it would be approx. 35$ to ship from France :scratchhe

seems kind of steep...plus whatever he wants for them.....may be out of my range......

Dan