New Yo Guitart From the Expo

[jumbowolfe]

No one said anything about these yet. I thought this was pretty cool. Bo took a photoshop concept from Kevin and mimic'ed it with airbrush. I thought it came out pretty cool. The detail in person was really exquisite.

Anyway, I thought this was really cool.

Mike

http://www.vintagekramer.com/expopics/kramerexpo2008/images/DSC_0056.jpg

[jumbowolfe]

Closeup Picture...

[NightRider]

if i had the money:banghead ... i would have taken one of those home with me:drool :drool :drool :drool ... also that blue one with the tribal:thumbsup

[bkeen]

I think it is cool but it needs a ball sack! ;)

:happy1

:thumbsup

[amerturk]

I wish they'd bring back surfer dude!

[webbhead13]

I'm still not up on my airbrushing but if you want it hand painted on a pair of chucks just let me know!!:D :D

[Rick S]

Yuck.:-x


Closeup Picture...

[leadbetter]

that thing does look cool to me also mike. wish i was there to see it in person. pics does not let you see the detail.
lester

[LUNACY THUNDER]

I second the return of the Surfer Dude!:headbang

[amerturk]

Not fond of it, but the positive thing is this....Kramer is starting this art series back up. A lot of the work will be trial and error. The "13" was an error IMO. But eventually, they will get one that just takes off. It will happen and I just hope they don't give up too soon.

My word of advice is this: Don't dictate what will sell to the artist...let the artist use their creativity, run some prototypes, number them(1/61) for example and bring back the vibe that made these popular in the past. Things like fire on acid or a 13 are not going to work.

[flyingvfreak]

What is it :scratchhe

[markshredder]

I quite like the overall effect of this one, but it frustrates me how I have no idea what it is.

I'm all for 80's metal or fantasy imagery over this kind of thing, though. I'd take a Unicorn with an erection over a Surfer Dude any day.

[billmill310]

i'm a fan of it. best guitart in the series, although i was partial to the flip flop color. (i just dont really call that guitart.. just a special color)

[Louie Music]

I have to say though it's nothing I'm jumping for, it's probably the coolest they've done yet, so atleast they're going in the right direction. I think the Japanese sword graphic would have been the best if they had added more graphic around the sword.

But it's much better than the Surfer Dude, no offense to fans of the Dude, but still, the Surfer Dude graphic atleast had alot going on to make you look at it. I guess that's sometihng.

[VooDoo666]

i'm a fan of it. best guitart in the series, although i was partial to the flip flop color. (i just dont really call that guitart.. just a special color)

Thanks Bill............. My artistic pride thanks you too.

And to answer the questions, it is an abstract skull in smoke and flames. In person it is a pretty vivid paint job. Bo nailed the artwork to a tee, which wasn't easy to do on 8 guitars exactly alike. The Candy oranges in the flames are really nice.

My Harley is getting the 13 "Black Sheep" paint job by the way. The Rat look isn't for everyone's taste.
Gotta throw a little bit of everything out there to make everyone happy.

[ProdigyofAxe]

It looks like someone ate a mechanaloids 'retta and some red crayons, then threw up all over the body...

Yuck.

DO A SPACE/FANTASY series..

I might have to spend my college money then...

I think someone around here has a sweeeeet Pacer DLX with a space graphic. Do THAT one again! I'd buy it in a heartbeat!

[crt360]

It's pretty spooky looking. That's probably how Shaggy and Scoob saw the Abominable Snow Creature after eating too many magic shrooms.

[84Dreamer]

....it reminds me of Metallica's LOAD cover.......I'm not too sure about it....lol

[JC1984]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/justinc_89/swiledorange.jpg

[Mr.Cool]

man that is hideous...............

[coolhandswrmhrt]

I dont mean to pee on anyone's parade...but so far, I dont get this guy's art as used on guitars.
I mean really..the surfer dude, meteor-farting mermaid. Youd think Gibson could get any artist, so they picked someone who could paint the number 13. I wonder if he practiced numbers 1-12 to get it right.

Tom

[VooDoo666]

I dont mean to pee on anyone's parade...but so far, I dont get this guy's art as used on guitars.
I mean really..the surfer dude, meteor-farting mermaid. Youd think Gibson could get any artist, so they picked someone who could paint the number 13. I wonder if he practiced numbers 1-12 to get it right.

Tom

All of the guitars you mentioned were bought by people who did like them. Only a couple of the 13 "Black Sheep" guitars are left. Not every custom paint job out there is going to suit everyone's taste. It doesn't make the people who designed or painted them any less talented. Whether someone likes the designs or not, does not mean the work itself wasn't top notch. Some of the guys here have seen all of those guitars in person at the Expos and can tell you they were painted flawlessly and the artwork was fantastic. Bo and Daneen are 2 fantastic artists and super nice people.

I am sure there will be some designs done that you will personally enjoy.

What do you want to see on one?

[markshredder]

+1

I think the personal preference aspect is part of the novelty of owning one. I personally thought the mermaid/meteor one was awesome and would have been all over it had finances been right at the time.

[crt360]

I think the personal preference aspect is part of the novelty of owning one.

I agree. There probably wouldn't have been any Klein's or Knapp's if everyone had to like them before Kramer put them out there.

[enb123]

I agree. There probably wouldn't have been any Klein's or Knapp's if everyone had to like them before Kramer put them out there.

True. I don't like a lot of the original graphics, but a lot of people love them. Then again, I liked that one with the pink polka dots, so you can pretty much just ignore my opinion on this issue! :thumbsup

[jumbowolfe]

Yup, again, go back and look at some of Klein's failed work. That mechanoids graphic of mine, while its the one and only, what was up with that thing? If Bo or Daneen painted that now, everyone on this forum would be going WTF?

Art is intepretation. I tend to like the cloudly kind of dreamy looking shit, I prefer it over cartoony stuff most of the time.

Mike

[geetar10]

It's pretty spooky looking. That's probably how Shaggy and Scoob saw the Abominable Snow Creature after eating too many magic shrooms.

Goddam man!! :lol :lol Freakin Rolling over here!!:bong Thanks for that one!! :thumbsup

(and I agree; art is conceptual...can't please 'em all.)

Voodoo...classy retorts.

[TommysGs]

Art is certainly open to the interpratation of the admirorer.
It is hard to come up with schemes that will apeal to the masses.
I'm not sure if that is the intent though.
In anything they may come up with it will apeal to someone however in trying to attract a market one offs don't quite fit.

I bought the scortcher guitar.
Flames will alway sell.
It would be good for marketing to come up with some graffics thay could easily mass produce that would be popular.
They would sell allot more of the guitar art series that way.
I must admit after buying the one off scorcher I was not pleased to see the flame scheme guitars they came up with a little while ago only in that it took away the uniqueness of the one I bought.

If they came up with a half a dozen good eye catching graffics the could just mass produce them and they would sell just as good if not better than the art series guitars they have been doing.

The one offs create more of a nitch market that is never going to generate much excitement.

They could do what Kramer did with the Klines and number them and make like 100 than create something to replace it with.

Then for the collectors or guitar art enthuseists they would be compelled to wait in antisipation for the next release and buy one or two of the new series.

As it stands now, I'm not really compelled to want another art series guitar.

[nightwatch]

I like the "old school" Kline stuff, because it has a definite style and feel of a bygone era, the metal/thrash/hair metal '80s. The Klines are 80s kitsch - just weird and fun, an era like no other. I've always like art, posters, etc., so they appeal to me.

But, I also have really liked some of the new Kramer art. I really liked Surfer Dude and loved the flip-flop green pacer. I was watching that one to see if it would go down, when it did a dealer snatched it and jacked up the price. I liked the sword one too. I do think some kind of space/universe graphics would be nice. A lot of people like space graphics.

But, to each his own, and yes, that was a very classy reply Voodoo.:bananahea

[coolhandswrmhrt]

I know..you guys are right with the interpretation thing,,i just like to stir the pot a bit. havin' fun.

Tom

[LUNACY THUNDER]

I love the Black Sheep Guitar, but not the over 13 hundred dollar price tag.

[simpler1]

+1 I would like to have the 13 guitar as well. As for the abstract skull and flames, I like it. It's different. Kind of tired of the same old, skulls, lightning etc. Don't get me wrong they are all classic but it's nice to see something fresh and new. How did you guys hook up with Kramer/Gibson on the idea for the paint job? I'd like to hear more about that. Pretty cool stuff! :thumbsup ..and yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.



I love the Black Sheep Guitar, but not the over 13 hundred dollar price tag.

[Rick S]

Whether you like guitart or not I think its odd that Kramer would even consider it at this time. Cripes, they can't seem to get ANYTHING right right now. Why put this stuff out now when they can't even focus on more than one guitar at a time? Why have a target market of 12 at a time? Makes no sense to me. Why not create a good line of guitars first then have a sappy line to cater to the collector types? Kramer is run by fools right now and that is just a sad fact.

[Axem_Pizza]

I really liked that graphic on those the only reason i didnt jump all over it is because I got back problems so I wouldnt be able to play that heavy ass thing on stage. They should deffinatly do that graphic on a lighter body.

[amerturk]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/justinc_89/swiledorange.jpg


Holy shit that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :happy1

[vader07]

Can't go wrong with the Nightswan art!

[Arcaco]

Here is a list of all the past and present GibYo Guitart with pictures.
It is at the bottom of the page: Guitart (http://www.kramerguitars.com/press/)

The Bomber, Devil Rat, Outlaw and of course the Flip-Flop aren't bad.

[ProdigyofAxe]

Here is a list of all the past and present GibYo Guitart with pictures.
It is at the bottom of the page: Guitart (http://www.kramerguitars.com/press/)

The Bomber, Devil Rat, Outlaw and of course the Flip-Flop aren't bad.

Issue more of the "Bomber"

"I'd buy that for a dollar! :thumbsup"

[tomiomusic]

This guitart is now available. They made only four of them and it's only available through an authorized dealer and not Yo. There is also a pearl white Baretta (also limited) that is available:jump :jump :jump

[Sluggy]

http://cgi.ebay.com/KRAMER-85-BARETTA-NIGHTMARE-GUITART_W0QQitemZ170255631816QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item170255631816&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

:thumbsup

[Midnight_Highway]

While I may not like it myself, how much does Charvel/Jackson charge for a graphic upcharge these days? I don't like this one or the Jenna Jameson mermaid in a meteor shower (what was that :) ) , but there were definitely a few I really wanted. It's a much better deal over the Jacksons/Charvels, thousands of dollars less.

George

[BloodRose]

Not fond of it, but the positive thing is this....Kramer is starting this art series back up. A lot of the work will be trial and error. The "13" was an error IMO. But eventually, they will get one that just takes off. It will happen and I just hope they don't give up too soon.

My word of advice is this: Don't dictate what will sell to the artist...let the artist use their creativity, run some prototypes, number them(1/61) for example and bring back the vibe that made these popular in the past. Things like fire on acid or a 13 are not going to work.

I have NO CLUE what the 13 was supposed tp represent ..?? Im guessing only to celebrate the mysteriousness of the number 13..?? Luck?
I havent liked any of them so far.. Now I did like some of the 80s ones. That New York one Ive seen kills!

Maybe Im boring, but I like my guitars Black.. Out of 15 guitars, 10 are black...

[brokrguy]

Ghost Surfer would kick Surfer Dude's ass...

I thought the "Black Sheep" model was cool and different - and prob'ly would be buying the last one now if the "13" didn't stand for "100's of $$$'s to buy this guitar".

I think a variety of paintings on the Guitart's is pretty cool, and should appeal to more players, but I agree that the current Gib..I mean, Kramer folks should pay more attention to getting the brand solid again and getting a few standard models out there for the "masses", then worry about more guitart, but I don't think any of the Gib'ees care anything about making Kramer big again. Too bad someone else didn't buy the brand...

:rant

[TrueBlueLS]

brokrguy... the only reason on why Gibson doesn't want to make the Kramer brand solid again is obviously competition. Take the Vanguard for example, who's going to pay $499 for a Korina 1958 Flying V when they could get a Vanguard for $269? I know there's not a style of guitar to directly compete with Gibson's line up, but it's enough to really make someone think to buy a Kramer.

[brokrguy]

I agree, I think that is probably Gibson's line of thinking, however, they did buy the brand, so they either wanted to do something with it or wanted to keep someone else from doing something with it. As for the korina V vs a vanguard, I don't think that's the same buyer. Gibson Vs. Kramer wouldn't be a choice for most Gib'ers, (not the ones I know, anyway). A Les Paul (new) buyer is a guy w/ $2000+ to spend and doesn't want 3 or 4 Baretta RI's, most likely. Gibson could position Kramer as it's upscale/mass brand, although then it might deter those Epi buyers. Think about the great history of Epiphone, and after its' demise and Gibson's eventual buyout, the brand (other than their jazz boxes) has become just another low-end supplier.

My point is: too bad Gibson was Kramer's buyer. Maybe at some point they will sell it off to someone who doesn't treat it just as another red-headed stepchild.

[NunoHalen]

I like the nightmare. I think it's a real throwback to the 80s kramer style. I personally love the abstract art on guitars because it's applicable to anyone to buy. I just put my order in for a nightmare and I can't wait to grab it, it'll be my first kramer guitart. I'm very excited and I'm glad I managed to nab one. I'll try to post some extra high-res photo's when I get it.

I actually liked a lot of the new guitart's. My favorites were the blue mariah, green fusion and the shredded crimson model. My absolute favorite to date is definitely the nightmare...it just looks..badass. THe surfer dude was BEAUTIFUL as well, It's not my style but I've seen it in person and I love the color. Very bright and fun, a breath of fresh air. It's just a bit kitchy for me.

As for the price, I can't knock between 1300-1500 USD for a quality custom paint job on a guitar that is in a series of 8 or 12 or so and made in the usa. Really, think about it, how much are the USA hand made BC RIch gunslingers? $4000 and up? They're nice but they aren't any better than the kramer guitart's. How about the ESP george lynch models, also 2500USD and up and I find them inferior to a standard baretta RI. I really give the epiphone guys credit for these re-issue kramers, they could be better but they are already WAY better than 90% of the other shredders out there. And if someone were to offer me a $5000 gibson LP for my kramer, I'd only accept to sell it so I could buy 5 more baretta RI's.

I'm new to this forum and I'm not sure if anyone here is actually part of the new kramer designs or company but if anyone is, thanks for bringing it back and try to keep it up. I'm in canada and there aren't any stores that sell kramers here, but every guitarist here that has held my vintage white baretta has said (Where can I get one) and (how much, $3000?) so you're doing something right, thanks!

Anyway that's my 2cents! =):bananahea

[KramerUK]

This one IIRC has just turned up on the ebay as part of a close out buy, just wish I'd had the money 1st time around, for me its one of the best guitarts that Gibson/MYo have commissioned

[Lightningdan]

my favorite so far was the western gunslinger looking one, and the one with the Katana sword on it. The mermaid was hot too.

[NunoHalen]

Well my Kramer Nightmare Guitart arrived today, it's number 4 of the series of 8. The certificate is very pretty =). The paint job is fantastic and I liked the added touch of an improved volume knob.

There is something I noticed however, that I did not expect and I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this on the other guitart series':

My Nightmare's floyd rose is not setup like my 1985 barretta RI's. The floyd is actually floating and there is a recess cut out in the body...but it's not a full one. The tremolo has upwards activity but not quite as much as I get with a full cut out like on my Gunslinger.

Did anyone know the nightmare had this kind of floyd setup? Or do all the guitarts have it like this? I wasn't aware, no complaints but curious, what's it all about, and is there a special name for this kind of setup?

(P.s. the guitar plays beautifully, I'll post a video/pics soon) :jump

[KramerUK]

Looking forward to the pics and good to hear you are enjoying it ;)
Not heard anything about a half recess, maybe someone else can shed shome light on that

[VooDoo666]

Well my Kramer Nightmare Guitart arrived today, it's number 4 of the series of 8. The certificate is very pretty =). The paint job is fantastic and I liked the added touch of an improved volume knob.

There is something I noticed however, that I did not expect and I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this on the other guitart series':

My Nightmare's floyd rose is not setup like my 1985 barretta RI's. The floyd is actually floating and there is a recess cut out in the body...but it's not a full one. The tremolo has upwards activity but not quite as much as I get with a full cut out like on my Gunslinger.

Did anyone know the nightmare had this kind of floyd setup? Or do all the guitarts have it like this? I wasn't aware, no complaints but curious, what's it all about, and is there a special name for this kind of setup?

(P.s. the guitar plays beautifully, I'll post a video/pics soon) :jump


We didn't do any Guitart with a recessed Floyd. It may have been set up floating, but no recess.

Please post or send me some photos. I want to be sure you got what you paid for.

[NunoHalen]

We didn't do any Guitart with a recessed Floyd. It may have been set up floating, but no recess.

Please post or send me some photos. I want to be sure you got what you paid for.

Oh man sorry guys, you are totally correct VooDoo, it's just set up to float. Sorry, the guitar arrived at like 9AM today just before I was heading off to school and I just glanced at it and played it for litereally 20 minutes and I got thrown off because I've never had any baretta with the floyd setup to fully float (I always have mine flush mounted). So I just got thrown off by the normal slot where the floyd slips through haha. (I feel like an idiot).

I'd love to post some pictures/send you some, do you know any good sites where I can freehost pics to post? hmm..maybe I can use myspace. I'll try that out and see if I can get some pics up!

[NunoHalen]

Here goes, sorry they had to be links..I couldn't get it to work any other way...maybe someone can suggest a better hosting method? ANyway, these were the best pics I could manage, my best camera is my cell phone haha

Anyway here is my new shredder, I love it!

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[NightRider]

photobucket.com :thumbsup they do all the resizing.. you just upload
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/rickduster/RIP1.jpg

[simpler1]

Man, that looks even better up close! :thumbsup Nice score!

Rick-I use image shack and they resize the pics for you too.

Nuno-Turn off the "details" via the check cox and copy the "forum" link. When you go to post click on the "Insert Link" icon (the chain link with the globe), lower right, right above where you type your text for a post. Like this:

EDIT: Set the resolution to 800X600 when you upload your picture to image shack, that works the best.


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[jumbowolfe]

Technically, those are supposed to be setup to rest fully on the body, and not float, as the vintage 84, 85's prior to the pointy era, always rested on the body, and for a REASON. You have enhanced sustain and resonance when the back of the bridge is in contact with the body. EVH always swore by this, and I do too. Recessed or floating trems reduce the overall resonance of the guitar's tone.

I don't know when you guys started setting those up to float, but the original spec on the Baretta reissue - it was supposed to be setup to rest on the body. The neck pocket design and depth was even designed that way to accomodate a flat resting Floyd. Now if you had reissued a pointy era Baretta without a recessed route, then in fact they were setup to float, but the post 85' bodies out of the original Kramer factory had shallower neck pockets to accomdate a float. The Jersey Star has a shallower neck pocket like the post 85' stuff out of Neptune, and it indeed should float if you wanted to model it after an original Sambora.

FYI - The Pacer Reissue is also supposed to be setup to rest on the body as well. Hence, the deep neck pocket just like the originals. :)

Mike