Skid Row Guitars

[Shwayman11]

Check out the Youth Gone Wild Tab- it looks like Snake is playing a les paul body with a Kramer neck- was that a mutt or a one off? And Scotty's playing a Spector right?

Youth Gone Wild- Skid Row (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8922557162655452719&q=skid+row&hl=en)

Solo starts around 2:06 and the guitars are right there

[NightRider]

looks like they did some guitar swapping... during the beginning its a les paul with lp headstock... then switches guitars in the solo...

[G.A.S. Ackward]

This is still one of my favorite solo's from the 80's...yeah, ok, it's a power ballad, but damn, that's a cool solo in that song :thumbsup

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7958523521733794255&q=skid+row&hl=en

[Midnight_Highway]

Here's a nice shot of Dave Sabo with a "Kramer." I love the early Skids! (especially Slave to the Grind)

I do believe most of their guitars were custom-made by luthiers in NJ and just slapped with a Kramer logo, though. :-| They might have played a couple of stock models, but I do believe most were customs, IIRC. I recall Steve Z knowing a bit more about this--as he is from their neck of the woods. :thumbsup

George


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[lefthandedshredder]

:headbang Thats a really cool pic

[Midnight_Highway]

Thanks Shredder, this was at the Moscow Peace Festival I believe. Here's a shot of Rachel Bolan thrashin' on a Spector there too. :thumbsup

George
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My buddy bought this deck of cards in the early 90s, picked out the Jerry Garcia cards he was looking for, and handed me the rest. Some cool shots in there. :D

[lefthandedshredder]

That is Awesome, Moscow Peace festival is one concert I would've loved to be at thats for sure.

[Shwayman11]

those are awesome pics- do you have any of the rest of the guys?

And Id love to know more about the skid row guitars- Steve care to chime in ;)

[Willybomb]

Scotti used to play a mutt put together by his tech, a mahognay dinky body with some other neck, floyd. There's a live clip kicking around of Monkey Busines on SNL or somethign where he's playing it.

[lefthandedshredder]

this?

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[matt3846]

On VK, there's another picture of that Sabo guitar...

http://vintagekramer.com/rare/snakesabo.jpeg

[crt360]

If they look like a LP Jr. with a Spector neck/headstock and FR, they were put together by Chris Hofschneider.

[leadbetter]

AWESOME PICS AND VIDS. HAD NOT SEEN THEM BEFORE.
LESTER
:headbang

[Midnight_Highway]

I do have more from that deck, but honestly most are not scanned in. I did scan in all the ones with Kramers/Spectors--most of these shots were taken in '89-'91 when unfortunately musicans had already started to turn away from "pointy" instruments. For example, Cinderella is in that deck too, but only with Fenders, Gibsons, and Dobros. (Tom Kiefer)

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[tortfeaser]

Snake's "Snake Kramer" is actually a custom guitar made at Garden State Music center in Tom's River, NJ. Besides being the coolest guitar store around in the 80s, they also made custom guitars that were painted by Kline. The guitars they made were called "custom dreams" and usually had that on the headstock, however Snake swapped it out with a Kramer neck. Zakk Wylde's shattered glass LP was painted at Custom Dreams as well.

I believe that the other guitars that looked like a cross between a Spector and a Gibson were assembled by Rod Schoepfer who also made Ritchie Sambora's guitars.

[jumbowolfe]

Don't forget one of the skids played a Black hawk as well....

http://www.vintagekramer.com/Spector/blackhawk.jpeg

Mike

[webbhead13]

Okay who has a copy of the original slave to the grind with the song "get the f*ck out " on it I NEED a copy of it :help
I think the PMRC got ahold of them and they got rid
of that song on the later runs of the tape.

Thanks for posting that SNL video :notworthy
God,remember when singers couold actually sing?
I cant think of a current artist who can match that performance :scratchhe :scratchhe
wow I gotta watch it again :headbang :headbang

Bill

[Kramer_nut]

I've got it at home, I'll check it tonight and let you know.

Todd

[ullathorne]

I was lucky enough to be at SKID ROW'S First ever Official UK show. Supporting BON JOVI on the New Jersey tour at Milton Keynes. Also appearing were VIXEN and Europe.

Second time i saw them they Were supporting MOTLEY CRUE. WHITE LION were also on the bill. How about that for a night of Riffage :headbang :headbang . Sebastian Bach, stood on the bass drum and shouted to the crowd, "What the fuck you lot looking at" Then proceeded to sprint to the front of the stage and dived into the crowd. Straight into myself and many many others. Shit loads of security pulled him out. That guy could play the showman. ah great memories.

Andy :toast

[webbhead13]

I've got it at home, I'll check it tonight and let you know.

Thanks a bunch!! :thumbsup
PM me if you have it !!!

thanks
Bill

[MrScary]

I've got a copy too. It is scratched to hell and back though. For those of you who can't read Bas' shirt in that Saturday Night Live Clip... it says

"I spent all of my money on booze, boots, and broads the rest I wasted"

I'll never forget it. I still have it on video. I was/AM a HUGH Skid Row fan. I know every solo note for note. I plan to put one in the recording section very soon as well!

Eric

[MrScary]

The next song they did was "piece of me". It friggin RIPPED!!!!!!!!!

Eric

[webbhead13]

What are you waiting for Scary??
rip it up!!! :headbang :headbang
I forgot how much they rocked :headbang
I just remember all the shit i used to catch for liking them because the Mtv crowd only knew the ballads!
I would argue till I was blue in the face that they rocked but Hey there loss was my gain!!
Thats another band that I wish would get their heads outta their asses and get back together!! :headbang

Bill

[puddy]

has anyone ever heard the solo cd from Sabastian? It was very rare in the US. it was kinda cool, nothing like he was durring the Skid years.

I wish bands would start bringing in REAL singers again.

I can't take another Nickleback wannabe :-x

[paul525715]

Sebastian Bach solo CD's...

Bach 2 Basics (covers)
Last of the hard men (mainly crap)
Sebastian Bach and friends (mainly live)

New cd out shortly... "Angel Down"

His current band are seriously heavy. Should be a good album. Still... can't beat STTG

Check out www.sebastianbach.com

[Renegadrian]

I was lucky enough to be at SKID ROW'S First ever Official UK show. Supporting BON JOVI on the New Jersey tour at Milton Keynes. Also appearing were VIXEN and Europe.

Second time i saw them they Were supporting MOTLEY CRUE. WHITE LION were also on the bill. How about that for a night of Riffage :headbang :headbang . Sebastian Bach, stood on the bass drum and shouted to the crowd, "What the fuck you lot looking at" Then proceeded to sprint to the front of the stage and dived into the crowd. Straight into myself and many many others. Shit loads of security pulled him out. That guy could play the showman. ah great memories.

Andy :toast



Skids an Motley... :drool :headbang
Who has a Time Machine, please?! I'd give a kidney for a concert like that...

[BeN5150]

When I get some cash im gonna buy a Cd at a local store,

"Bring'em Bach Alive"

a live CD with lots of Skid Row, as well a a cover of "Godzilla" by B.O.C. and i believe "Rock & Roll" by Led Zeppelin

Later,

Ben

GREAT VIDEO OF SKID ROW SNAKE HAS A KRAMER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcgK6KNnyoA&mode=related&search=)

[Shwayman11]

I do have more from that deck, but honestly most are not scanned in. I did scan in all the ones with Kramers/Spectors--most of these shots were taken in '89-'91 when unfortunately musicans had already started to turn away from "pointy" instruments. For example, Cinderella is in that deck too, but only with Fenders, Gibsons, and Dobros. (Tom Kiefer)

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now what the hell guitar is mick playing?! :D
Pointy Pacer Imperial?

And about Skid Row- i fuckin love that band. Everything about them is great. Dirty, gritty and fun rock n roll. I havent heard the new sebastian bach stuff yet but im sure its great, especially after hearing bachs voice live and in person w/ GNR at Hammerstein. I took a look some of the newer Skid Row stuff the other day (Thick Skin I believe) and that shit ROCKED! They still sound like themselves, something very rare with 'older' acts. The sole thing that could have made the songs I listened to was Sebastian's voice (not saying Johnny Thunders isn't doing a good job.)Otherwise they were pretty awesome.

[RockStringBender]

Custom '88 nanner?????

[Midnight_Highway]

Possibly also a Focus or a Japanese-only Kramer?? Notice, no headstock-adjustable truss rod. :scratchhe

George

[Shwayman11]

Possibly also a Focus or a Japanese-only Kramer?? Notice, no headstock-adjustable truss rod. :scratchhe

George

true :scratchhe
itd be really interesting to find out what every body ACTUALLY played, not just what they endorsed.
Does anyone besides me notice the similarity between the headstock on Micks guitar and the headstock on the new Baretta VT?

[lefthandedshredder]

All that stuff rocks :headbang I've always been a massive Skid Row fan, I also like the fact that their solo's sound different to most of the other solos at the time(which were still awesome)

They are easily one of the best bands ever, one of my faves, and Baz along with Milko from Steelheart has one of the best rock voices ever. Certainly a dazzling range.

[leadbetter]

I'M LOOKING AT THESE PICS AND SAYING. HOW THE FUCK THESE GUYS SEEING THESE SMALL DIFFERANCES SO FAST IN THESE PHOTOS. DO I NEED COKE BOTTLE GLASSES OR WHAT? THERE ALREADY THICK :D OH AND YES THEY ROCK OUT
LESTER
:headbang

[webbhead13]

HOW THE FUCK THESE GUYS SEEING THESE SMALL DIFFERANCES SO FAST IN THESE PHOTOS

Stick around BELIEVE me it grows on ya!!! :D :D
These guys are the BEST!!! :notworthy
I'm starting to pick 'em out here and there, still not in their league

Master Po "do you see the differences in the focus and baretta bodies grasshopper?

Grasshopper " Old man, How is it you see these things?

Master Po " young man how is it you do not?!!"
:lol :lol :lol :lol

Bill

[marsmountain]

now what the hell guitar is mick playing?! :D
Pointy Pacer Imperial?

And about Skid Row- i fuckin love that band. Everything about them is great. Dirty, gritty and fun rock n roll. I havent heard the new sebastian bach stuff yet but im sure its great, especially after hearing bachs voice live and in person w/ GNR at Hammerstein. I took a look some of the newer Skid Row stuff the other day (Thick Skin I believe) and that shit ROCKED! They still sound like themselves, something very rare with 'older' acts. The sole thing that could have made the songs I listened to was Sebastian's voice (not saying Johnny Thunders isn't doing a good job.)Otherwise they were pretty awesome.


Here is another shot of Mick with the white Kramer in question. Both photos come from the FeelGood tour, so mostly likely it is one of his 88-89 Custom Kramer American guitars. I have another photo of what appears to be the same guitar with a white truss rod cover clearly visable, so it is definetly there, just hard to see in the rock card photograph.
K.

[Midnight_Highway]

Oh, it's a white truss rod cover? Cool. :thumbsup

[Kramer_nut]

Bill, found the CD, pm sent.

Todd

[Rupe]

Snake's "Snake Kramer" is actually a custom guitar made at Garden State Music center in Tom's River, NJ. Besides being the coolest guitar store around in the 80s, they also made custom guitars that were painted by Kline. The guitars they made were called "custom dreams" and usually had that on the headstock, however Snake swapped it out with a Kramer neck. Zakk Wylde's shattered glass LP was painted at Custom Dreams as well.

I believe that the other guitars that looked like a cross between a Spector and a Gibson were assembled by Rod Schoepfer who also made Ritchie Sambora's guitars.

Newbie thread revival ;)

Custom Dreams guitars were actually more Charvel-like in their body shape and they had the San Dimas era control rout. I owned one in the late 80's but it was stolen from my room at Penn State in October '88. It was a killer guitar with a Kline MM graphic. Here is the only pic that I have of it:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a379/rupe68/Scan002February102007.jpg

[kb7010]

this?

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I can't see anything... :(

EDIT: now I do... don't ask me.. and no I haven't been smoking anything.. :lol

double EDIT: now vid. is no longer able to be shown.. just my luck.. oh well.. maybe next time... lol

[Midnight_Highway]

Holy resurrected thread batman! :D

Here's Rachel Bolan with his Custom Dreams bass. Like that awesome Marilyn, this one also has artwork by Kline. :thumbsup

http://www.kramerforum.com/images/rachelbolan_kline.jpg

*edit* I'm not positive it's a Custom Dreams, but I recall reading that somewhere? :scratchhea Dug it up in my pics archive.

George

[tortfeaser]

Holy resurrected thread batman! :D

Here's Rachel Bolan with his Custom Dreams bass. Like that awesome Marilyn, this one also has artwork by Kline. :thumbsup

http://www.kramerforum.com/images/rachelbolan_kline.jpg

*edit* I'm not positive it's a Custom Dreams, but I recall reading that somewhere? :scratchhea Dug it up in my pics archive.

George

Makes sense. Both Rachel and Snake worked there before "making it big."

[Mac]

I was lucky enough to be at SKID ROW'S First ever Official UK show. Supporting BON JOVI on the New Jersey tour at Milton Keynes. Also appearing were VIXEN and Europe.

Second time i saw them they Were supporting MOTLEY CRUE. WHITE LION were also on the bill. How about that for a night of Riffage :headbang :headbang . Sebastian Bach, stood on the bass drum and shouted to the crowd, "What the fuck you lot looking at" Then proceeded to sprint to the front of the stage and dived into the crowd. Straight into myself and many many others. Shit loads of security pulled him out. That guy could play the showman. ah great memories.

Andy :toast

The only reason skid row EVER played with jovi was because dave sabo was the original jovi guitarist before being replaced with Sambora., Jovi also had links with Cinderella as they shared the same record company.

[floydkramer]

i really liked skid row when i heard the first album....i thought the band was rowdy but the vocals were a little bubblegummy....but i heard slave to the grind and i became a skid addict...had to learn every tune...and subhuman race..even better imo

[BeN5150]

The only reason skid row EVER played with jovi was because dave sabo was the original jovi guitarist before being replaced with Sambora., Jovi also had links with Cinderella as they shared the same record company.

yeah, but all those bands are different.

you got the thrashy Skid Row

the bluesy Cinderella

and the teen-girly Bon Jovi! :lol

[Renegadrian]

i really liked skid row when i heard the first album....i thought the band was rowdy but the vocals were a little bubblegummy....but i heard slave to the grind and i became a skid addict...had to learn every tune...and subhuman race..even better imo

Ehi, I am the opposite!!! LOVE the ST, the second is great, stil some songs...uh...And the third...Eh? Did they make three with Baz?! :D

BTW, buy Baz new CD, he f..kin rocks still in 2008...
I had the privilege to see him live that past summer, and hell yeah, he's a stage beast...Plus he had ex Fight guitar player and bobby janzorbeck or how the f..k is written...:-x

[floydkramer]

ya man,,,the third skid album rocks...go to your fav tune site and search for subhumanrace...listen to ... my enemy or beat yourself blind

[marsmountain]

I do have more from that deck, but honestly most are not scanned in. I did scan in all the ones with Kramers/Spectors--most of these shots were taken in '89-'91 when unfortunately musicans had already started to turn away from "pointy" instruments. For example, Cinderella is in that deck too, but only with Fenders, Gibsons, and Dobros. (Tom Kiefer)

http://www.kramerforum.com/images/mickmars.jpg

http://www.kramerforum.com/images/nikkisixx.jpg

Ah......the (Feel) good old days........
K.

[Renegadrian]

ya man,,,the third skid album rocks...go to your fav tune site and search for subhumanrace...listen to ... my enemy or beat yourself blind

Well man, I know that album, I was jockin actually...Anyway, it seems we see skid albums the opposite way! That's the greatness of personal tastes (mine are better then yours, obviously...:lol )

[Shwayman11]

Newbie thread revival ;)

Custom Dreams guitars were actually more Charvel-like in their body shape and they had the San Dimas era control rout. I owned one in the late 80's but it was stolen from my room at Penn State in October '88. It was a killer guitar with a Kline MM graphic. Here is the only pic that I have of it:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a379/rupe68/Scan002February102007.jpg


thats freakin sweet!
what was the headstock shape- Kramer or Jackson?
what was the body wood? How much did it run u?

sorrry for so many questions- the opritunity to ask someone about those guitars doesnt come up so often :bananahea

[slashrox]

I'm really liking the song "Youth Gone Wild" I heard "I remember you" once and remembered liking it but I haven't heard it in ages.

off topic: Lefthandedshredder hasn't been on the forum in ages!

[Rupe]

thats freakin sweet!
what was the headstock shape- Kramer or Jackson?
what was the body wood? How much did it run u?

sorrry for so many questions- the opritunity to ask someone about those guitars doesnt come up so often :bananahea

Headstock was a Charvel/Jackson clone as was the body (rumored to have been supplied by C/J but I don't know). I wish I could but I don't recall the body wood. Original top mount Floyd and a Duncan SH-6 Distortion.
These "retailed" for $1100-$1300 but I snagged this one brand new at Hollowood Music in Pittsburgh in '87 for $790.
There were 4 of them in stock at that time, all painted by Kline. There was a Lynch-ish looking Bengal and a purple/bluish one with stars...I can't recall the last one.

[KramerBassFan]

This Thread is cool enough to bump. :bananahea

Funny, i've been listening to alot of Skid' recently..

[velocity]

thanks for the bump! cool thread:thumbsup

[Vengeance]

Good shtuff :thumbsup

I saw them on the Jovi tour as well. For some reason Zakk Wylde was there and came out and played youth gone wild with them,cool show.

[KramerBassFan]

How cool. :thumbsup

[Blitz]

On VK, there's another picture of that Sabo guitar...

http://vintagekramer.com/rare/snakesabo.jpeg

I can tell you that guitar was offered as a prize in a UK mag called Metal Hammer around 89/90 time frame so there is a good chance its still in the UK somewhere. Thats the picture they used in the mag too, I entered but didnt win jack.

Chris